Comments for JeremyStangroom.Com http://www.jeremystangroom.com The web site of Jeremy Stangroom. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:27:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 Comment on Who was for sale? by Ralph Sabella http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1069 Ralph Sabella Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:27:28 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1069 Don, Thanks for the response. I had a dream which I'm pretty sure came about from this topic. It involved a granddaughter who was missing, partially my fault. I ran around like a madman looking for her. She turned up perfectly fine. What I got out of this is that (my) talk is cheap. A lot more digging into my psyche and probably anyone else's to get an honest and meaningful answer is needed. Don,
Thanks for the response.
I had a dream which I’m pretty sure came about from this topic. It involved a granddaughter who was missing, partially my fault. I ran around like a madman looking for her. She turned up perfectly fine. What I got out of this is that (my) talk is cheap. A lot more digging into my psyche and probably anyone else’s to get an honest and meaningful answer is needed.

]]> Comment on Who was for sale? by Don Bird http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1067 Don Bird Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:48:40 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1067 Ralph, You are right we were not given much to go on in this case. It was not until I read a report of it in 'THE TIMES' of March 16th that I decided to express an opinion. The victim was male aged 4 years. Abuse continued over about a year by a teacher who was a friend of the family. After a period of four years subsequent to the abuse and the cash payment made in respect of it, the child complained, to whom is not made clear. I do not think this is a matter of revenge more one of common sense. You state that the harm had been done. If this were just a one off case which could not possibly be repeated again or elsewhere I might be inclined to agree that a cash payment may be worth considering. However Paedophilia such as it is, seems to entail over a long period of time repeated attacks on different victims. So the cash payment leaves the Paedophile free to pursue his desires in other directions. It may bring the matter into sharper focus if you substitute compulsive homicidal offender for Paedophile; the sooner they are arrested the better. The offender in this case, who also had a collection of child pornography on his computer, has not been imprisoned, but put on a three year sex offenders' treatment programme. You mention castration; unfortunately this does not always dampen sexual ardour or the ability to perform the sex act. I feel sure that conditions like Paedophilia, Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, are far deeper embedded in a person than just the genitalia. Ralph,
You are right we were not given much to go on in this case. It was not until I read a report of it in ‘THE TIMES’ of March 16th that I decided to express an opinion. The victim was male aged 4 years. Abuse continued over about a year by a teacher who was a friend of the family. After a period of four years subsequent to the abuse and the cash payment made in respect of it, the child complained, to whom is not made clear.

I do not think this is a matter of revenge more one of common sense. You state that the harm had been done. If this were just a one off case which could not possibly be repeated again or elsewhere I might be inclined to agree that a cash payment may be worth considering. However Paedophilia such as it is, seems to entail over a long period of time repeated attacks on different victims. So the cash payment leaves the Paedophile free to pursue his desires in other directions. It may bring the matter into sharper focus if you substitute compulsive homicidal offender for Paedophile; the sooner they are arrested the better.

The offender in this case, who also had a collection of child pornography on his computer, has not been imprisoned, but put on a three year sex offenders’ treatment programme. You mention castration; unfortunately this does not always dampen sexual ardour or the ability to perform the sex act. I feel sure that conditions like Paedophilia, Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, are far deeper embedded in a person than just the genitalia.

]]> Comment on Who was for sale? by Ralph Sabella http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1066 Ralph Sabella Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:18:54 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1066 Don, Read your comment and have a reply. But first, we weren,t given much to work with. Let's assume a child was molested and the parents found out, confronted the abuser (why not go directly to the police?) and he (or was it a she, which in my mind might make a difference) buys off the parents. In my above comment I say the amount of money offered might make a difference. The money could be significant to the family, more so than getting vengeance. The harm has been done and as everyone agrees sending the abuser to jail probably won't change anything. If the option was to take the money or have the creep castrated I'd probably opt for the latter. Don,
Read your comment and have a reply.
But first, we weren,t given much to work with. Let’s assume a child was molested and the parents found out, confronted the abuser (why not go directly to the police?) and he (or was it a she, which in my mind might make a difference) buys off the parents. In my above comment I say the amount of money offered might make a difference. The money could be significant to the family, more so than getting vengeance. The harm has been done and as everyone agrees sending the abuser to jail probably won’t change anything. If the option was to take the money or have the creep castrated I’d probably opt for the latter.

]]> Comment on Who was for sale? by Don Bird http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1065 Don Bird Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:10:33 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1065 Apparently it was the child who eventually “blew the whistle” in this case after a period of trying to deal with what had happened between him and the molester. Paedophilia is, unlike many other sexual deviations, harmful to other people, and in particular directly to children. I tend to agree that punishing such people with terms of imprisonment seems to serve no good cause. It certainly will not bring about a “cure” or even ensure that further offences will not occur on release from prison. One thing seems certain, and that is, those who unfortunately through no fault of their own, are afflicted with this condition are not fit to live in society as it is presently structured. What to do about this I cannot presently say. However that being the case; in my opinion the parents had a moral and social duty immediately to bring the matter to the attention of, presumably the police. By not doing so they allowed a dangerous person to continue offending and bringing misery to perhaps many other young people. For some, all the money in the world cannot expunge the shame of what they had to endure. To accept money and take no action, is surely tantamount to prostituting the child. Apparently it was the child who eventually “blew the whistle” in this case after a period of trying to deal with what had happened between him and the molester. Paedophilia is, unlike many other sexual deviations, harmful to other people, and in particular directly to children. I tend to agree that punishing such people with terms of imprisonment seems to serve no good cause. It certainly will not bring about a “cure” or even ensure that further offences will not occur on release from prison. One thing seems certain, and that is, those who unfortunately through no fault of their own, are afflicted with this condition are not fit to live in society as it is presently structured. What to do about this I cannot presently say. However that being the case; in my opinion the parents had a moral and social duty immediately to bring the matter to the attention of, presumably the police. By not doing so they allowed a dangerous person to continue offending and bringing misery to perhaps many other young people. For some, all the money in the world cannot expunge the shame of what they had to endure. To accept money and take no action, is surely tantamount to prostituting the child.

]]> Comment on Who was for sale? by Ralph Sabella http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1064 Ralph Sabella Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:47:08 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1064 Funny judge. What if instead of 18k it was 180k or 1800K etc? For almost all of us, isn't there a number which would have us cave in? So, it's immoral, but there are no end of situations you're going to have to face, the outcome of which might be immoral and in some of them, even knowingly you're going to pick the convenient, immoral way. When the stakes are reasonable, hopefully we all will act in a reasonable way, but the others . . .? It always depends. Funny judge.
What if instead of 18k it was 180k or 1800K etc? For almost all of us, isn’t there a number which would have us cave in? So, it’s immoral, but there are no end of situations you’re going to have to face, the outcome of which might be immoral and in some of them, even knowingly you’re going to pick the convenient, immoral way. When the stakes are reasonable, hopefully we all will act in a reasonable way, but the others . . .? It always depends.

]]> Comment on Who was for sale? by amos http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1063 amos Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:03:35 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1063 Sending a child molestor to jail solves nothing, except to keep him out of circulation. However, in jail he will probably attempt to rape younger prisoners, who are human beings too, although some times that is forgotten. A child molestor should be treated, if possible, and if not, should wear some type of monitoring device. As to accepting the money, why not? That families of victims receive cash seems as rational and as irrational as punishing child molestors and other criminals. Society loves to punish, but is disturbed by (and perhaps secretly envious of) those who calmly pocket the cash. The harm done to the child will not be repaired by punishing the molestor, while the cash paid to the family may make the child's future easier and more pleasant. Sending a child molestor to jail solves nothing, except to keep him out of circulation. However, in jail he will probably attempt to rape younger prisoners, who are human beings too, although some times that is forgotten. A child molestor should be treated, if possible, and if not, should wear some type of monitoring device. As to accepting the money, why not? That families of victims receive cash seems as rational and as irrational as punishing child molestors and other criminals. Society loves to punish, but is disturbed by (and perhaps secretly envious of) those who calmly pocket the cash.
The harm done to the child will not be repaired by punishing the molestor, while the cash paid to the family may make the child’s future easier and more pleasant.

]]> Comment on Who was for sale? by CTJen http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1062 CTJen Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:17:50 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/who-was-for-sale/306/#comment-1062 It appears the judge had his mix all talked up. It appears the judge had his mix all talked up.

]]> Comment on Baroness Uddin on choice by Jeremy Stangroom http://www.jeremystangroom.com/baroness-uddin-on-choice/305/#comment-1060 Jeremy Stangroom Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:31:41 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/baroness-uddin-on-choice/305/#comment-1060 Jonathan I'm not sure exactly about her claim to eminence. I think she was made a life peer for her community work, etc. But she has no intellectual standing. I know it sounds... well something to say that. But trouble is it helps to explain the shoddiness of a lot of that report, and in particular the introduction. Jonathan

I’m not sure exactly about her claim to eminence. I think she was made a life peer for her community work, etc.

But she has no intellectual standing. I know it sounds… well something to say that. But trouble is it helps to explain the shoddiness of a lot of that report, and in particular the introduction.

]]> Comment on Baroness Uddin on choice by jonathan http://www.jeremystangroom.com/baroness-uddin-on-choice/305/#comment-1059 jonathan Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:50:59 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/baroness-uddin-on-choice/305/#comment-1059 I've just read a piece of rather derogatory journalism about her, which apart from answering my ignorance, seems to confirm a certain tendency to contradiction. Such as being PC on religious tolerance and then exclaiming about the untrustworthyness of people with ginger hair. I suppose however we are not discussing the value of certain statements on the basis of who made them, but their truth or validity. So at least she made us think/ react. Well done Baroness I’ve just read a piece of rather derogatory journalism about her, which apart from answering my ignorance, seems to confirm a certain tendency to contradiction. Such as being PC on religious tolerance and then exclaiming about the untrustworthyness of people with ginger hair. I suppose however we are not discussing the value of certain statements on the basis of who made them, but their truth or validity. So at least she made us think/ react. Well done Baroness

]]> Comment on Baroness Uddin on choice by jonathan http://www.jeremystangroom.com/baroness-uddin-on-choice/305/#comment-1058 jonathan Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:20:19 +0000 http://www.jeremystangroom.com/baroness-uddin-on-choice/305/#comment-1058 Perhaps Jeremy she got it all back to front - a conceptual dyslexia - it should have been :All religions restrict choice as do all parents" . Otherwise (my view) they are not religions, nor parents. But then she may have some view about choice which is unusual. It is a bit of a worry to realise that she is involved in Governing the choices of us citizens. Perhaps she does not do that either, given she has no idea about large parts of the real world. Forgive my ignorance, what claim to eminence does she have? Perhaps Jeremy she got it all back to front – a conceptual dyslexia – it should have been :All religions restrict choice as do all parents” . Otherwise (my view) they are not religions, nor parents. But then she may have some view about choice which is unusual. It is a bit of a worry to realise that she is involved in Governing the choices of us citizens. Perhaps she does not do that either, given she has no idea about large parts of the real world.
Forgive my ignorance, what claim to eminence does she have?

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