Animal experimentation and medical research: In conversation with Colin Blakemore

Pro-Vivisection March

Pro-Vivisection March

In May 2004, the British Government announced that it was establishing a new national centre which would fund work directed towards the aim of replacing, refining and reducing the use of animals in scientific research. Lord Sainsbury, the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Science and Innovation, marked the announcement by insisting that whatever the ultimate aim of the centre, it was clear that animal testing was currently necessary for proper scientific research. In this, he was echoing a statement which he had made some months earlier, reaffirming the commitment of the British government to animal research undertaken within existing regulatory frameworks.

However, this claim that animal experimentation is necessary for scientific research is not universally accepted. Perhaps not surprisingly, it is most keenly contested by the animal rights lobby. The National Anti-Vivisection Society, for instance, argues that ‘the fundamental flaw of animal-based research is that each species responds differently to drugs and chemicals, therefore results from animal tests are unreliable as a means of predicting likely effects in humans. Thus, animal experiments are unreliable, unethical, and unnecessary.’

Whilst this view might justifiably be regarded as being rooted in the hyperbole of a pressure group, the animal rights lobby is not alone in suggesting that the issues surrounding animal experimentation are difficult. For example, in a BMJ article titled ‘Where is the evidence that animal research benefits humans?’ (February 28, 2004), Pandora Pound et al noted in their first sentence that: ‘Clinicians and the public often consider it axiomatic that animal research has contributed to the treatment of human disease, yet little evidence is available to support this view.’ As a result of this claim, the UK media reported that scientists were beginning to doubt whether animal research was useful at all.

‘It was completely predictable that that phrase would become a kind of rallying call for the animal rights movement, and it is very unfortunate,’ says Professor Colin Blakemore, Chief Executive of the Medical Research Council (nb. Blakemore relinquished this position in 2007), when I mention the article to him. ‘But it is possible to counter the claim with the fact that the Royal Society has recently published a pretty comprehensive study which says that virtually every medical advance in the last century has depended on the use of animals in research at some point; or with the statement from the Department of Health, in its evidence to the House of Lords committee on animal experimentation, that the National Health Service could not operate without the foundation of the knowledge which animal research has built. The overwhelming view of the scientific establishment, and I’m not using that expression in a pejorative way, is that animal research is necessary for progress in medical science.

‘Also, it is important to point out that there has been some misinterpretation of the data which Pound et al analyse in their paper. They found, and I think they’re right about this, that the transition between animal research and clinical application often lacks rigour in terms of a proper review of evidence. The eagerness of some scientists or drug companies to try out new treatments can lead to the misinterpretation or over-interpretation of data from animal research. But they only examined six areas of research, out of the many hundreds where it is well documented that animal experimentation led to clinical applications. Specifically, they looked at six comprehensive reviews of animal evidence and the associated attempts at clinical application.

‘In one of these cases, they found that despite clear evidence from the work of people like Michael Marmot that human health is linked to social status and responsibility, there is no analogue of this phenomenon amongst primates. But this isn’t surprising; it doesn’t work this way in primates. Marmot was looking at the civil service, which is not exactly the kind of environment you can easily imagine being mimicked in primate groups.

‘The other five cases were situations where clinical trials, or the preliminary treatment of human beings, had started on the basis of a cursory examination and often very optimistic interpretation of previous animal research. In every case, it turned out that the clinical technique did not work. In retrospect, when the animal research was thoroughly and systematically reviewed, it turned out that the results from the animal experiments didn’t justify the clinical application. So far from showing a mismatch between animal and human results, it showed a perfect correlation. The failure was in the transition between the animal results and the clinical studies.’

What then of the criticism that the small differences in the makeup of complex systems such as animals and humans can make a lot of difference in terms of how they respond to chemicals and drugs, and that, as a result, extrapolation from animals to humans is necessarily unreliable?

‘There are probably only two or three properly qualified people in the world who hold this position,’ Blakemore replies. ‘Ninety-nine per cent of physicians in the United States say that it is essential to use animals in medical research; and more than ninety-five per cent of British physicians say the same thing. So whilst it is important to listen to maverick opinion, it is clear we shouldn’t put too much weight on it when one considers that the American Medical Association, the Royal Society, the British Medical Association, and the General Medical Council all state that animal experimentation is necessary.’

Presumably then it must be possible to give specific examples of the importance of animal research which will settle the issue?

‘Yes, almost everything is an example,’ says Blakemore. ‘Every drug, every form of advanced surgery, nearly every antibiotic, nearly every vaccine; the development of all of them has at some stage involved animal testing. What more evidence is there? By law, every drug has to be tested on animals before it can be used on humans; you cannot get a prescription for a drug which has been developed in the last one hundred years which hasn’t been tested on animals. So when you ask for examples, just about everything is an example: every pain killer; every treatment for heart disease, kidney disease and cancer; chemotherapy; radiotherapy; surgical techniques; bypass surgery; open heart surgery; you name it, animals were involved in the research.’

So what are the motivations of the people who argue that animal research is unreliable and unnecessary? Are they just pursuing a particular moral agenda?

‘I’m not sure,’ Blakemore answers. ‘I know that Ray Greek, for example, has argued that his is not a moral position; he doesn’t object to the use of animals in medical research on moral grounds. He has said, much to the consternation of his own supporters, that if it took the death of 10,000 chimpanzees to find a cure for AIDS, then he would be in favour of it. His argument then is a factual one; that animal research doesn’t work. But I would be extremely critical of the evidence he cites to support his view. Mainly he makes use of excised quotations, which seem to suggest that eminent researchers doubt the value of animal research. But if you go back to the source of the quotations, you find that they are being used out of context, and that the thrust of the papers they appear in contradicts the argument the quotations are being used to support. I don’t call this evidence.’

Perhaps the area of animal research which causes most controversy is that which involves primates. In the UK, this issue became headline news at the beginning of 2004, with the announcement by Cambridge University that it had axed plans to build a new multi-million pound centre for primate research. The BBC reported that the decision to abandon the project was based in part on the spiralling cost of satisfying the requirements of animal welfare legislation and the need for security to protect against the threat of attack from animal rights activists. The decision was greeted with regret by many people in the scientific community. For example, Mark Matfield, director of the Research Defence Society, called it a ‘serious blow for British medical research’ and argued that ‘the government needs to bring in tougher legislation to tackle extremist campaigns, otherwise they will remain a threat to all medical science that depends on animal research.’

What is the importance of primate research? It accounts for only a tiny percentage of the total of animal research, so presumably there are some quite specific reasons for doing it?

‘Yes, that’s right,’ Blakemore confirms. ‘To get a licence for primate research requires that a very special case be made; not only that animals are necessary for the research, but also that it must be primates, that no other animal will do. Moreover, particular attention is paid to the question of suffering; it is much harder to get a license where primates might suffer than it is in the case of say mice. Also, the number of animals to be used, and the objectives of the research will be taken into account. What this means is that research with primates will be of great strategic importance in terms of its potential to deliver results, and it will be work which simply cannot be done with other species. We’re talking here primarily about three main areas of research: endocrinology, where for many of the hormone systems, the monkey is the only model which has the required likeness to human beings; neuroscience, because of the similarity between the organisation of the primate and human brain; and some areas of vaccinology, particularly, for example, in attempts to develop AIDS vaccines.’

The specific worry about primates has largely to do with their cognitive abilities; particularly, there is the possibility that they are self-aware; self-conscious, rather than simply conscious. The philosopher Peter Singer, for example, in his book In Defence of Animals, asks why we are willing to lock up chimpanzees in primate research centres and subject them to painful experiments when we would never think of doing the same thing to a retarded human being who had lesser mental abilities. Singer concludes that it is only speciesism which explains this difference. What does Blakemore make of this kind of argument?

‘I know the arguments, and would keep an open-mind on the nature of the evidence about something like primate self-awareness,’ he replies. ‘But I think it is very important to hang on to one strong moral principle, which is that there is a clear distinction between our responsibilities to our own species and our responsibilities to other species. Most people, given the choice between saving the life of a human or an animal, will think that their primary obligation is to the human being. I’m very fond of animals, I have kept pets all my life, but if it came to a choice between my cat, which has lived with us for some seven years, and is very much a part of the family, and the life of one of my daughters, I would not have the slightest hesitation in saying that the life of my daughter should have priority; and I think that most people would feel the same way. They might love animals, but they see that human beings are just different.’

The response which somebody sympathetic to the Singer view would likely offer to this argument is that at least part of what leads us to the thought that humans are different from animals might be present in a primate and absent in a severely disabled human being.

‘Yes, the idea that all that matters is sentience,’ says Blakemore. ‘But we need a firmer foundation than this to base our judgements upon. In the end, all it amounts to is an anthropomorphic claim about what it must be like to be a monkey. However, this can lead to serious errors of judgement, such as that of Peter Singer himself, when he argues that there is a line to be drawn in terms of sentience somewhere between rats and fish. But why? Just because we can’t get ourselves into the mental life of a fish, doesn’t mean that a fish is not sentient. The correct starting position is that it is possible that all living animals with a nervous system have some kind of experience. Therefore, we have a responsibility to all species to minimise suffering, but on top of this we have a primary obligation to our own species. This is a very normal, biological principle. You see it in virtually every species; they treat their own species differently from other species.’

So when Singer talks about speciesism, would Blakemore be happy to accept that as his position?

‘Yes, that is exactly my position,’ he confirms. ‘But I don’t accept that “speciesism” is a pejorative term; I’m quite happy to defend the position. In the end, you have to draw a line; you couldn’t walk down the street if you really believed that to kill any living thing was a sin or immoral because you’d be worried about the small insects under your feet. There is an extreme version of Buddhism which holds to that position, but taken to its logical conclusion it is ridiculous; you’d end up never moving because you’d be worried about hurting microbes. So it is necessary to draw the line somewhere. The only firm line on genetic and morphological grounds is between our own species and other species. But the fact that we’re justified in treating our own species differently doesn’t mean that we have a kind of Cartesian license to treat other species in any way that we want; because of our own moral status, we have an extended moral obligation towards the rest of the world. It is just that this moral obligation doesn’t entail that we have the same responsibilities to other species as we do to each other. So I’m a speciesist, and I would defend that position.’

At the end of 2003, it was reported that Blakemore had been turned down for a knighthood because of his support for vivisection; and that, as a result, he was considering his position as the head of the Medical Research Council. ‘It has nothing to do with whether I particularly deserve an honour, that is neither here nor there,’ he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. ‘The mission statement of the medical research organisation which I now run includes a specific commitment to engaging with the public on issues in medical research. How can I now, in the present circumstances, go to MRC scientists and ask them to take the risk of being willing to talk about animal experimentation with this indication that doing so will reduce their standing and their reputation in the eyes of the government?’

Was he reassured by the government’s response to this situation that it fully accepted the need for animal research, and that it admired and supported those scientists who had been on the front line in the struggle against animal rights extremists?

‘Yes, I was,’ he replies. ‘But actually, what was almost more important was the widespread support that came from the scientific community and the media. The support from the media, in particular, was quite extraordinary and a big surprise; virtually the entire spectrum made strong statements about the importance of animal experimentation. So the debate served a useful purpose; it produced a kind of national solidarity, which was much needed. This is also reflected in public opinion. The latest opinion poll shows ninety per cent of the population in support of animal research. It is significant that there is no other major issue where you get this kind of consensus; we still treat the issue of animal research as if it is highly controversial, as if the public haven’t made up their mind; but they have made up their mind.’

The opinion poll which Blakemore refers to here was couched in a particular way; specifically, people were asked for their opinion about animal research on the assumption that certain criteria had been met. For example, one question asked whether people could accept animal research for medical purposes, where there was no other alternative. But, of course, it is precisely the claim of the animal rights lobby that there are alternatives to animal research.

‘Well, if there are, let’s see them delivered by those people who claim that there are,’ Blakemore responds, when I put this to him. ‘I have faced the whole range of arguments from those who are opposed to animal research. I have enormous respect for people who simply say that they don’t care about the range of benefits which are the result of animal experimentation; they don’t deny that there have been these benefits, but they don’t want any part of them because they think that animal experimentation is wrong. It is very difficult to maintain this position, because we all do well as a result of advances in medical techniques; for example, we all benefit from the fact that people are vaccinated, and from our knowledge of the importance of public health. But I understand and respect this position.

‘However, I have very little respect for people who say that animals are so very different from human beings that animal research has no relevance for understanding humans; or that all treatments which have been developed on animals are dangerous to humans; or that animal researchers enjoy what they’re doing, that they’re basically sadists, and that anyway, it is only really about filling the pockets of the drug companies. This is not a parody of the kinds of arguments which are made; and I have no time for them. They are rationally indefensible. If there are alternatives, let’s see them. We want them. I don’t know of a single person who uses animals in their research who wouldn’t rather use an alternative. Moreover, there is a great paradox here: the alternatives to animal research which do exist have been developed by researchers who have previously experimented on animals. I’ve had grants to develop alternatives, I’ve done a lot of work on tissue cultures, and I use computer simulations for a lot of my work, yet I’m accused of being a villain because I’ve also experimented on animals.’

Extracted from What Scientists Think (pub. Routledge) by Jeremy Stangroom.

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15 Responses to “Animal experimentation and medical research: In conversation with Colin Blakemore”

  1. Owen

    Fascinating read, thanks.

    Just wanted to pick up on this bit:

    “if it came to a choice between my cat [and] one of my daughters [...]”

    That’s an interesting analogy, but I’m not sure it proves what he wants it to prove.

    If I had to choose between my daughter and my cat, I’d choose my daughter. If I had to choose between my daughter and one of his daughters, I’d choose mine. If I had to choose between my daughter and fifty other people’s daughters, I’d choose mine (don’t want to think about larger scales). If I had to choose between my cat, and, say, Harold Shipman, I’d choose my cat. Nothing to do with species, purely about who/what I care about most.

  2. Jeremy Stangroom

    Owen

    Yes, your point is pertinent. But I wonder if in fact it came to it whether you would choose your cat over another human being (even Shipman, assuming you don’t think he deserves to die anyway, which would make the thought experiment moot)?

    I think that most of us are sufficiently committed (whether intellectually or emotionally) to the idea that human life is “sacred” (for want of a better word) that it’d be quite hard to choose the animal even if we think that we would (especially if we’re not talking about some anonymous person).

  3. Owen

    Would I do so if it really came to it? Dunno. But I’ve spent a surprising amount of time thinking about this sort of thing since first reading Singer, and I suspect I would do it. Singer does rather force you to consider your core beliefs, even if you disagree with him. Plus I like to torture myself with Sophie’s Choice style dilemmas. I’m a bit of a freak, I suspect.

    I would argue that’s beside the point though. The question isn’t “would I”, but “would I be right to?” Intuition is one place to start with ethics, but I don’t think it’s enough on its own. It’s too easy to rationalize your built-in prejudices.

    I can imagine, without trying to make a strong argument, that future generations might look on us (who think animals don’t deserve the same rights as us), the same way we do on past generations/societies who thought the same about “lesser races”. I’m not quite ready to do that myself, but the structure of the arguments in favour of speciesism does seem similar to those made in favour of racism. I can’t tell if the similarity is superficial or not, but Blakemore hasn’t yet convinced me that they’re not.

    (That’s “Sophie’s-Choice-style” dilemmas, not “Sophie’s-Choice” “style-dilemmas”. I don’t stay awake at night wondering if I should have saved the blue clothes or the pink ones…)

  4. amos

    I agree with Owen. If I had a choice between saving my cat (actually, I don’t have a pet) and
    the current president of Iran (whose name I can’t spell), I’d save my cat.

  5. Jeremy Stangroom

    Owen

    Okay, so let’s consider the jellyfish, for example. They are not the smartest of God’s creatures due to the absence of anything properly resembling a brain.

    Basically, their nervous system is a network of separate but interconnected nerve cells – a ‘nerve net’, in other words.

    So when a stimulus is applied to the body of a jellyfish it causes a reaction in the nerve net that radiates outwards in a kind of rippling effect.

    Jellyfish have structures called rhopalia which are involved in light detection, chemical detection, touch and balance. Their effect is to provide the jellyfish with the ability to react to food and danger; to determine whether it is moving up or down; and to “know” whether it is moving towards light or away from light.

    But that’s pretty much it. In terms of braininess, the jellyfish is outgunned by an insect.

    If anybody tells me that the life of a jellyfish is worth the same as a human being – even the best, kindest, most brilliant jellyfish – then… well let’s just say I don’t inhabit their moral universe.

    *Please note: No jellyfish were harmed in the production of this message!

  6. Jolanta Benal

    If animal experimentation is justified because it works, why aren’t we performing these experiments on humans, who presumably provide the ideal model? I just don’t see any way around the conclusion that we experiment on animals not because it’s ethically acceptable but because we can. Might makes right.

  7. Jeremy Stangroom

    Well it’s not justified *just* because it works, though the fact that it works would have to be part of the moral calculus.

    In other words, the fact that animal experimentation works is a necessary condition of it being moral, but not a sufficient condition. It’s not permissible in the case of humans because we make the judgement that the suffering of humans is morally more significant than that of animals.

    This is not an aribtrary judgement. See my jellyfish thing about.

  8. Chris Miller

    “an extreme version of Buddhism”

    I think Colin Blakemore may have Jainism in mind – it adheres strictly to Ahimsa, non-violence towards all living creatures. It predates Buddhism, on which it was an influence.

    Modern understanding of microscopic organisms renders a strict adherence to this principle impossible – a line must be drawn somewhere between chimps and viruses.

  9. Jeremy Stangroom

    There is an irony about Jainism, which is that despite its commitment to non-violence, it’s kind of massively egocentric, focussing on a personal, spiritual quest: there is no injunction to alms giving, for example, as one finds in Islam and Sikhism.

    Also, according to tradition, at the start of his spiritual quest, Mahavira – the founder of the religion – just upped sticks, abandoned his wife, children and family, and then later ignored his wife when she attempted to interrupt a period of penance!

  10. Michael Ellyett

    I find it absurd that some human have the arrogance to suggest other animals are not self-aware and self-conscious. Or are fundamentally of a different category? What is the basis of the assertion? These people seem to want to argue that animals are like people (which to me is like saying salmon and like fish) – and at the same time saying they are not like people (when it comes to rights)?

    The moral argument in favour of the use of animals must be similiar to that which other sacrifices we make (or would make) are considered. A small number of lives scarificed in a war for the benefit or many. Or the sacrifice most people would agree to, if pressed, to the death of a 90 year old, instead of the death of a 9 year old. Or the death of a chronically and terminally ill old person in favour of the death of healthy young person.

    The death of one soldier to save 10, 100, 1000 people – yes. The death of 10 soldiers to save 1 person – No. The death of 100 Chimpazees for one 1 person – maybe. The death of 10,000 Chimps for 1 person – doesn’t sound right to me.

    Let us assume there are good Chimps and bad Chimps. Based on my experience with animals this is clearly the case. How many good Chimps would we sacrifice to save Hitler?

    And whay wax on about AIDS – which as we know is a disease directly associated with a discretionary act. Why not focus on Malaria. Obviously their are innocent victums in both cases – but in one case the victums are almost universally innocent – in the other case this is far from true.

    Why do we have primary obligation to our own species? This isn’t a moral argument. One could historically make the same claim about race, religion and ethnicity. And watching USA reaction to deaths in Iraq I get the feeling many still do. The USA seems to think it is OK for a hundred others to die – to save 1 American life.

    Clearly lines need to be drawn. The question isn’t animal research – or no animal research. The question isn’t do we ever sacrifice a life. The question is under what circumstances and where the line is drawn.

  11. Michael Ellyett

    Its absurd that to suggest other animals are not self-aware and self-conscious, or are fundamentally of a different category? These people seem to want to argue that animals are like people (which to me is like saying salmon and like fish) – and at the same time saying they are not like people (when it comes to rights)?

    The moral argument in favour of the use of animals must be similiar to that which other sacrifices we make (or would make. Some lives are scarificed in a war for the benefit or many. Most people would agree, if pressed, to the death of a 90 year old, instead of the death of a 9 year old – or the death of a chronically and terminally ill old person in favour of the death of healthy young person.

    The death of one soldier to save 100 people – yes. The death of 10 soldiers to save 1 person – No. The death of 100 Chimpazees for one 1 person – maybe. The death of 10,000 Chimps for 1 person – doesn’t sound right to me. There are good and bad Chimps. How many good Chimps would we sacrifice to save Hitler?

    And why wax on about AIDS – which is a disease often directly associated with a discretionary act. Why not focus on Malaria. Obviously their are innocent victums in both cases – but in one case the victums are almost universally innocent.

    Why do we have primary obligation to our own species? This isn’t a moral argument. One could historically make the same claim about race, religion and ethnicity. And watching USA reaction to deaths in Iraq I get the feeling many still do. The USA seems to think it is OK for a hundred Non-Americans to die – to save 1 American life.

    Clearly lines need to be drawn. The question isn’t animal research – or no animal research. The question isn’t do we ever sacrifice a life. The question is under what circumstances and where the line are drawn and why

  12. Owen

    Jeremy: “Okay, so let’s consider the jellyfish, for example.”

    That’s all very interesting, but since I’m not one of those extreme Buddhists, I don’t feel the need to defend the ethical equivalence of all species :-) .

    I was disputing the claim that “no animal is more significant than any human”, not “all animals are as significant as all humans”.

  13. Sidney Gendin

    The discussion whether animal experimentation is necessary for the advancement of human life is jumping the gun, whichever side one comes down on. Even if X is necessary for Y, the prior question is whether Y is necessary. Worse, it may be that Y is not even desirable, much less necessary, and, if so, that cuts short inquiry into whether X is necessary for it.

    While human death and suffering are undesirable so long as survivors remain, I don’t know any argument that shows the undesirability of the easy, painless end to sentient life. In short, what is wrong with negative utilitarianism? Damned if I know.

  14. Jonathan

    I suppose i ought to declare an interest having worked for a major Pharmaceutical firm and also had a vivi sectionist as a partner for five years. I was not a vivi sectionist myself and my partner called herself a Pharmacologist. My recollections of her was of someone who cared about animals and also someone who was passionate about her research and its consequences. I open with this as the general smear of unnecessary infliction of pain is the box into which all who use animals in research are placed. This is supposed to follow from the supposed failure of all animal experimentation, something which Colin Blakemore clearly addresses.
    The idea that animals in experimental situations are subject to pain is again an ignorance of the experimental situation and was certainly not my experience and the care of the animals was something which my partner and I talked long and hard about.
    It cannnot be one of the prime rights of animals to live their lives without interference, partly because many are simply vermin.Are we seriously to allow mice and rats to infest our dwellings, eat our food, and spread disease, whilst we move out into the fields? I respect my neighbours right to inhabit his or her dwelling and eat their own food, mice and rats do not (neither do other so called sentient creatures). Rules of social engagement do not apply to animals as they do to us. There are of course analogies in respect of social organisation, especially in primates, but we don’t form social contracts with rats, nor they with us.That difference does not answer the elusive question of sentience, but I cannot speak mouse, or rat or insect or bacteria. We can however notice the differences in structure between these creatures andf behaviours and possible experience. If we go along supposing sentience without structure we start some form of dualism where any entity can have a self, even a jelly fish. I once kept (unsuccessfully) Starfish (Asterias Rubens). They died and I wondered what they felt, I never found out.
    Finally ( would like to make a bit of a comment about what I see as a a curious attempt at pay offs in some of the replies on “vivisection”. Cat versus daughter, obviously daughter, but not a mass murderer. But this has nothing to do with the results of animal experimental the objectives of which are (in general), human well-being. The pay offs are open ended, from insulin to antibiotics to immunisation and eventual cures for aids cancers and whatever. Long after the animals have died and in doing so have contributed (in the long run),to the amelioration or control of these and many other conditions. The benefactors are the many generations of people and animals also (something which gets forgotten), who follow on.

  15. blog.talkingphilosophy.com » In defense of animal experimentation

    [...] Since there has been some discussion on here about animal rights, etc., I thought people might be interested in a conversation I had with Professor Colin Blakemore (formerly head of the Medical Research Council in the UK), where he defends animal experimentation and speciesism. It’s extracted from my book, “What Scientists Think”, and you can find it here. [...]


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